it's one of the reasons why the fiscal cliff could be as bad for the economy. if state and local governments are continue to cut back or not spend, still hoarding catchsh and consumers aren't spending ex is for a new iphone the one positive input to the gdp right now, maybe not in six months but right now, the one positive input is the fed recall government. if the federal government through the fiscal cliff is going to withdraw $600,000,000,000, which is what the live would do, it will throw us back into a recession. >> that's just what we don't need now. >> bill: i was going to ask you and i think you are getting to it already is what now does president -- two things: what does president obama say he will have an opportunity somewhere today, what does he say about these numbers? two, can he use these numbers to bolster his case for a deal on the fiscal cliff? >> the answer first of all, f they were to dahl me i would say don't take a victory lap because it's 7.7% unemployment. if you are under employed or you have stopped looking or don't have a job at all, y